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Featured Interview - Mary Lefkowitz
| Interviews with specialists are a regular feature
of the Ithaka newsletter. In this issue, Barbara
Harrison interviews Mary Lefkowitz, distinguished
lecturer in the ExL program and Professor Emerita
of Classical Studies at Wellesley College. In November
2006 in a White House ceremony, Mary Lefkowtz was
awarded a 2006 National Humanities Medal for her
distinguished work in helping the nation understand
the importance of the humanities in American life. |
Key: ML: comments
by Mary Lefkowitz; TeachGreece: questions
by Barbara Harrison
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Mary Lefkowitz. |
TeachGreece: What makes
Greece such a tireless adventure for you? (In other
words, what keeps you interested in learning and teaching
about Greece?)
ML: What first drew
me to Greek was studying Latin, and I liked Latin because
it showed me the structure of language.
Greek was even more interesting because it preserved
aspects of other ways of thinking about time. But then
as I began to be able to read Greek, I discovered that
Greek literature addresses the essential issues in
life.
TeachGreece: In your
talks in The Examined Life program, you have revealed
a special affection for the beauty of the language
of the Iliad and other texts. You seem drawn to the
texts in a personal kind of way. Do you have any favorite
passages in the epics or plays or lyric poems that
you return to time and again for their beauty or wisdom
or the solace they give you? I hope I’m not being
irreverent to ask if you believe in the gods.
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“It’s hard to understand
Greek history if you haven’t been to Greece.” |
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ML: I often turn to
Book 24 of the Iliad and a number of passages in the
odes of the fifth-century poet Pindar, and also Virgil’s
Aeneid—the most Greek of all Roman poems. No,
I don’t believe in the gods, but I think it makes
more sense to imagine a world being controlled by gods
who do not particularly care for most humans, than
to suppose that there is one god who cares for all
of us.
TeachGreece: I’m
aware that you and your husband Hugh Lloyd-Jones make
frequent trips to Greece. I would appreciate it if
you would comment on the impact of travel on your understanding
of Greece, and the importance of travel for teachers
who are teaching Greece in their classrooms.
ML: It’s hard
to understand Greek history if you haven’t been
to Greece. You need to see how far different places
are from one another, because of the mountainous terrain,
and how the sea was the best way of getting from one
place to another. I also think it’s hard to understand
the effect of architecture from pictures. That’s
why you need to see the Parthenon, the Temple of Olympian
Zeus, etc.
TeachGreece: What do
you think is the most persuasive reason for including
the teaching of Greece in the curriculum of our nation’s
schools?
ML: We still have much
to learn from their understanding of human experience,
the limitations of our knowledge, and of our powers
of achievement.
TeachGreece: When did
you realize that you wanted to devote yourself to studying
and teaching the classics? Was there a teacher who
had a special impact on your interest?
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“…seeing the Parthenon
for the first time was one of the most exciting
moments in my life.” |
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ML: I had some excellent
teachers, both at school and during my undergraduate
years at Wellesley. I went to Europe in 1951 after
my sophomore year in high school, and saw as many Roman
ruins as I could. Four years later I went to the summer
program of the American School of Classical Studies
in Athens—seeing the Parthenon for the first
time was one of the most exciting moments in my life.
TeachGreece: I would
appreciate your take on the forgetfulness of humans
for their limitations as mortals—especially for
the concept of hubris, seen not only in antiquity but
in our contemporary world. Is hubris simply arrogance?
ML: Hubris means insolence,
supposing that we have real power and knowledge; as
the ancient Greeks saw it, moments of excellence were
gifts from the gods. Humans never fail to be aware
of the limitations of their knowledge.
TeachGreece: Northrop
Frye, literary scholar, stated that without an understanding
of the Orpheus myth it’s impossible to understand
the literature of western civilization. Do you agree
that the Orpheus myth is at the core of our understanding
of our cultural tradition? Is there another myth that
you believe is central?
ML: I wouldn’t
single out Orpheus, though it does get at an essential
feature of human weakness—a failure of concentration
just at the last minute, just when you need it most.
But there are many other important myths. I couldn’t
single out just one.
TeachGreece: I would
appreciate it if you would comment on the vitality
of the gods and religion in the everyday lives of the
ancient Greeks.
ML: Religion was central
to ancient Greek life, and all forces beyond human
control could be explained by it. As Thales said, “the
world is full of gods.” There were small shrines
everywhere, and if you could get yourself into right
relationship with them your life might be better; but
as Homer has Achilles say, humans have the possibility
of good mixed with bad in their lives, or all bad.
All good is a possibility only for the gods.
TeachGreece: Please
help us to understand the view of virtue and justice
of the Bronze Age Greeks, the Homeric heroes, in particular.
ML: I think we need
to separate Mycenae and the Bronze Age from Homer,
who appears to be describing a later period. Since
no literature survives from the Bronze Age, we don’t
know what they thought. Homer believed that justice
would come eventually, though the gods are on a different
time table from short-lived mortals. The story of the
Iliad shows that “the plan of Zeus was accomplished”— Troy
had to fall because they did not return his daughter
Helen to Menelaus.
TeachGreece: In your
recent book Greek Gods, Human Lives, what differentiates
your interpretations of the ancient Greek Gods from
the approaches of such writers as Thomas Bullfinch,
Edith Hamilton, Robert Graves, and Joseph Campbell?
ML: I take the gods
seriously, and do not write about them condescendingly.
TeachGreece: In this
same book you refer to the Iliad as “the most
important Greek religious text”. Please explain
to readers why you call the Iliad a religious text.
ML: There were no canonical
texts like the Bible, and the Iliad was the most popular
text throughout antiquity. Children studied it in school
(boys mostly, but some girls), though only the elite
were educated, and about 5-10 % of the population was
literate.
TeachGreece: Please
comment on the role of women in antiquity. Do you have
a favorite heroine? Who do you think is the most misunderstood
heroine? Medea? Antigone? Clytemnestra? What do you
make of the Pandora myth?
ML: I don’t have
a favorite heroine, and all have been misunderstood—perhaps
Medea most of all, because she is often portrayed as
emotional, even hysterical. In Euripides’ drama
she is cold and calculating, and she gets away with
murder because she is the granddaughter of a god.
TeachGreece: Of the
many recurring themes in Greek literature such as sophrosyne,
aidos, atê, philoxenia, others, which do you think
that 21st century citizens and leaders would be wise
to revisit?
ML: Top on my list is
Atê —that certainly applies to our intervention
in Iraq (and Vietnam).
Freedom and Responsibility
By Mary Lefkowitz
Radcliffe College Panel Discussion
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In the following talk given at Radcliffe College
as a part of a panel on Freedom and Responsibility,
Mary Lefkowitz discusses the Greek concept of
atê. Her talk is presented here with her
permission.
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It is not often that a classicist is called upon to
make a pronouncement about problems in today’s
world. Why would someone who spends her time studying
the past have anything worthwhile to say about the
present? But we classicists do not study ancient texts
simply because they are there, we study them because
these texts can still speak to us. The ancient Greeks
had a word for what I want to talk about today, and
it was atê, the delusion that leads to destruction.
As the ancient Greeks saw it, all human beings are
affected by atê, most often at the very moment when
they think they are doing the right thing. To put it
another way, to be human is to be deluded, to view
one’s surroundings through a mist without being
aware that there is a mist. Only a god can see the
whole picture.
The screenwriter for the film Troy left out the gods
from their version of the story. But in Homer’s
account in the Iliad of the wrath of Achilles, everything
depends upon these same gods. When Achilles gets angry
with Agamemnon, he can hurt Agamemnon and the other
Greeks because his mother Thetis is a goddess. She
had helped Zeus in the past and so Zeus now reciprocates
by favoring the Trojans, at least for a few days. Achilles
refuses to fight and believes that in that way he is
getting even with Agamemnon. But he does not realize
that there will be consequences to his anger that he
does not foresee. His decision to withdraw from the
battlefield will cause the death of his closest friend,
Patroclus, and will soon lead to his own death, before
the walls of Troy. He is victim of atê, of not understanding
fully the consequences of his desires.
In antiquity educated Greeks and (later) Romans, boys
and also some girls, learned about atê from the Iliad,
which they studied and memorized and copied out at
school. In the fifth century B.C. Athenian audiences
learned about the consequences of atê from the dramas
that were performed each year at state expense during
the festival of the god Dionysus. Our versions of the
same stories, like the film Troy, show us that war
is violent and that rulers can be selfish and corrupt.
But it might be even more helpful if someone reminded
us, all of us, all the time, about the limitations
of mortal knowledge.
After we attacked Iraq, and no weapons of mass destruction
were found, I couldn’t help thinking of how in
415 B.C. the Athenian democracy sent an expedition
to conquer the city-states in Sicily. Then they changed
their minds and recalled one of their most effective
generals; they sent reinforcements, but in the end
the expedition failed and the Athenian soldiers were
killed or captured. The loss of men and money eventually
ensured that Athens lost her long war with Sparta.
Hearing the dramas every year didn’t keep the
Athenians from making terrible mistakes, but it did
at least enable them to understand that they had made
a mistake. We have a witness: the Athenian general
Thucydides, who wrote a history of the Peloponnesian
war. He deliberately places his narrative of the expedition
to Sicily just after his account of how Athens, at
the height of its powers, quashed a rebellion in the
city-state of Melos, by capturing the town, killing
its men, and enslaving its women and children.
When something goes wrong today (and we can all think
of plenty of examples), we blame our leaders, and work
to elect different people. But in most cases we are
acting on the basis of superficial knowledge and our
own willingness to persuade ourselves that this time
the person we are prepared to support will know just
what he or she is doing. But who can lead us well unless
he recognizes the extent of his human limitations?
And what man in our society can confess he is at a
loss without seeming weak?
So I would pick atê as a major world problem. It is
an even more acute problem now than in the past, because
there are so many billions more of people in the world,
and our power to destroy each other is so much greater
than in the past. Perhaps the only thing we can do
about atê is to recognize that it exists, and to try
to act accordingly. I mean that we should try to be
less certain than we usually are. Can we really be
sure (despite our confident claims to the contrary)
that we have found the cure or solution for the many
troubles that are plaguing our world?
I am not asking for humility so much as for understanding
and reflection. The ancient Greeks did not believe
that their gods had created humankind or that they
cared for humankind in the aggregate. Rather, it was
the responsibility of individual human beings to try
to do the best we could with such information as the
gods were prepared to give us and with such limited
intelligence as we have. Trying to know, being willing
to ask hard questions of oneself and others is not
a sign of weakness but part of the solution. The ancient
Greeks had the Iliad and their dramas. If only our
popular culture, our films and our television, were
prepared repeatedly to remind us of how little we actually
know.
The Examined Life: Greek Studies in the Schools (ExL/Newton)
Embarks on National Initiative
As part of a broad initiative to establish programs
in other regions of the nation, The Examined Life program
(Exl/Newton), is working both independently and with
Harvard University’s Center for Hellenic Studies
(CHS). Currently CHS is
trying out technology that will make graduate course
lectures available in locations where access to resources
is minimal.
The first designated site is Memphis, TN where CHS’s
outreach director Kenneth Morrell teaches at Rhodes
College. Professor Morrell’s efforts include
recruiting the participation of Memphis teachers to
participate in an ExL/Memphis program that will replicate
the model ExL/Newton program.
In October 2006, ExL/Newton team members, including
Barbara Harrison, program director, Ann Koloski-Ostrow,
course professor, and Connie Carven, teacher specialist,
met at CHS in Washington, DC to discuss the initiative.
ExL Administrative Team Members Travel to Memphis,
TN
At the annual meeting of the Southern Section of the
Classical Association of the Middle West and South
held in Memphis, Tennessee November 1-4, 2006,
Ann Koloski-Ostrow and Judith Malone-Neville presented
papers on The Examined Life: Greek Studies in the Schools.
Professor Koloski-Ostrow, Chair of the Classics Department
at Brandeis and Project Humanist for The Examined Life,
spoke about the collaboration among classical scholars
in the Boston area in giving presentations to public,
charter, and private school teachers in a year-long
graduate course at Brandeis University. She gave examples
of the topics included in the course and of the high-quality
scholarly work performed by the teachers.
Professor Koloski-Ostrow emphasized the importance
of the 13 day study tour in Greece as an integral component
of The Examined Life program.
Judith Malone Neville, former assistant superintendent
of the Newton Public Schools and chief ExL project
administrator, gave a brief history of the genesis
and funding sources of The Examined Life which to date
has involved over 160 teachers and administrators from
urban and suburban school districts in rigorous academic
work and curriculum development.
As a member of the first cohort of Greek Fellows,
Judith Malone-Neville related how meaningful the personal
experience of being in situ on the Acropolis and in
Delphi is to an understanding of Greek literature and
to speaking authentically in the classroom.
In addition to attending the conference, she joined
Sam Findley of Rhodes College, in visiting a local
high school in efforts to recruit the first cohort
of Memphis teachers to the program. Judith Malone-Neville,
PhD
Magna Graecia Seminar and Tour Score High Marks
In the spring 2006, several Greek Fellows attended
a five-session seminar designed to meet their increasing
need for further study. Organized by Professor Ann
Olga Koloski-Ostrow, and featuring guest lecturer MIT
Professor Steven Ostrow, the seminar culminated in
a study tour of Greek colonies in southern Italy.
Titled Magna Graecia: Greeks Bearing Gifts . . . into
Greek and Roman Italy, the seminar examined a substantial
body of Roman literary works to gain greater appreciation
of the enduring contribution of the Greeks to the Roman
literary and artistic traditions, and to appreciate
how the Romans built upon and transformed that Greek
tradition.
The seminar culminated a study tour from August 14-19,
2006 (based at the Villa Vergiliana at Cumae, Italy).
Greek Fellows explored the archaeology, art, and architecture
of Magna Graecia (Naples and the Greek colony of Paestum
in southern Italy) and several Roman sites in Campania
(with special focus on Pompeii and Roman villa sites
on the Bay of Naples).
Participants spoke of Magna Graecia’s direct
relationship to the Greek Studies course. Lana Holman,
2005 Greek Fellow, commented: “I never realized
how much the Greeks influenced the Romans. To read
the Aeneid and compare it to Homer's Iliad and Odyssey,
to see the artwork at Pompeii that portrayed Greek
mythology, to see the statues portraying the Odyssey
at the Grotto of Tiberius...all of these experiences
deepened my knowledge and understanding of what I learned
in Greek Studies. I was left with a new passion and
a need to learn more. These experiences have directly
influenced my teaching of ancient Greek history to
my students. Ann's passion and Steven's passion influenced
me and, in turn, influenced and excited my students.
I have recently begun working on my Master's Certificate
in Classical Studies at Brandeis. I would not have
done this had it not been for Greek Studies and Magna
Graecia. Magna Graecia is a natural extension of Greek
Studies, and I hope both grow and flourish for years
to come.”
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